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[Boss]

Tale između Berija i Logana je bio Ševrolet. Helou

[Talladega_500]

I? Berry je mogao obojicu da puste i Logano bi dobio dodatni bod (dobio bi i Byron, ali Byron je na +47 i prakticno vec osiguran za sledecu rundu). Prosle godine jedan jedini bod je odlucio ko ce u finale, tako da taj potencijalni bod bi mogao Logana da eliminise iz playoffa.

Sta cemo o tome kako Ty Gibbs nije hteo da pusti nijednog klupskog kolegu da ga prestigne?

[Boss]

Kako nisu bili playoff bodovi? Svaki bod u playoffu za playoff vozace su playoff bodovi.

Berry nije hteo pustiti Logana da ga prestigne, Ty Gibbs nije hteo pustiti ni Hamlina ni Bella da ga prestignu... Cela tvoja teorija pada u vodu hehe

a pazi tek ovaj debilizam evo sad gledam sa wikipedie. Beri je na toj trci osvojio 43 poena a Logano 52. He he sve navrat nanos i posle se pitaju zašto su rejtinzi nikad niži. Pa zato što ovo nema veze sa zdravim razumom. Kao i ono kad se završio reg. deo sezone i dobismo Redika mislim bio šampion a u plejof ušao sa manje bodova od Larsona. o bože kakav ludi svet

[Talladega_500]

Stage 1: Logano 2., Berry 4.
Stage 2: Logano 1., Berry 10.

Prosto ko pasulj zasto je Logano na kraju osvojio vise poena.

[Boss]

I? Berry je mogao obojicu da puste i Logano bi dobio dodatni bod (dobio bi i Byron, ali Byron je na +47 i prakticno vec osiguran za sledecu rundu). Prosle godine jedan jedini bod je odlucio ko ce u finale, tako da taj potencijalni bod bi mogao Logana da eliminise iz playoffa.

Sta cemo o tome kako Ty Gibbs nije hteo da pusti nijednog klupskog kolegu da ga prestigne?

Znači Beri je trebao pustiti tog Ševija od Birona i onda bi Biron ustvari ugrožavao Blejnija i to ozbiljnije nego ovaj potčinjeni Beri u sestrinskom timu kome nije bilo dozvoljeno agresivno napadati. Super. Ford i Penske bi baš to voleli.

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Stage 1: Logano 2., Berry 4.
Stage 2: Logano 1., Berry 10.

Prosto ko pasulj zasto je Logano na kraju osvojio vise poena.

i taj sistem nije dobar to svi kažu pa i ti.

[Talladega_500]

Znači Beri je trebao pustiti tog Ševija od Birona i onda bi Biron ustvari ugrožavao Blejnija i to ozbiljnije nego ovaj potčinjeni Beri u sestrinskom timu kome nije bilo dozvoljeno agresivno napadati. Super. Ford i Penske bi baš to voleli.

Byron je bio 3 sekunde iza Blaneya. Berry je mogao da da pusti i Byrona i Logana da ga prestignu recimo 3 kruga pre kraja. Na taj nacin Byron ne bi imao vremena da ugrozi Blaneya, a Logano bi dobio dodatni bod.

Sve je to lako ostvarljivo da postoje timska naredjenja o kojima ti pricas.

p.s. nemas odgovor na moj komentar o Ty Gibbsu? hehe

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i taj sistem nije dobar to svi kažu pa i ti.

Ja ne volim stage samo zato sto donosi nepotreban caution. Ali osim toga, stage je super stvar. Jer neko ko je celu trku u vrhu zasluzuje vise poena nego neko ko je samo zalutao do vrha u finisu.

[Boss]

a f1 na jednom kanalu

ima i nascar nešto da nauči od f1 a i f1 od nascara.

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Sve je to lako ostvarljivo da postoje timska naredjenja o kojima ti pricas.

p.s. nemas odgovor na moj komentar o Ty Gibbsu? hehe

o bože ja sam ti okačio hamlinovu izjavu koju ti izbegavaš a sve lepo čovek objasnio.

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Ja ne volim stage samo zato sto donosi nepotreban caution. Ali osim toga, stage je super stvar. Jer neko ko je celu trku u vrhu zasluzuje vise poena nego neko ko je samo zalutao do vrha u finisu.

joj sad ti ko fol smetaju cautioni pa i kad nije bilo stejdževa bilo je isto toliko cautiona

[Talladega_500]

To je samo Hamlinovo licno misljenje, nista vise. Da postoji timsko naredjenje - pa onda bi Ty Gibbs morao da postuje to timsko naredjenje. Berry takodje.

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joj sad ti ko fol smetaju cautioni pa i kad nije bilo stejdževa bilo je isto toliko cautiona

To uopste nije istina. Ranije sam ti kacio listu koliko je broj cautions skocio.

[Boss]

To je samo Hamlinovo licno misljenje, nista vise. Da postoji timsko naredjenje - pa onda bi Ty Gibbs morao da postuje to timsko naredjenje. Berry takodje.

beri nije bio agresivan kao što bi protiv drugih bio. to je jasno. a ty niko nije javio da se skloni hamlinu jer je unuk od šefa pa niko nije imao hrabrosti a to je trebao joe gibs da mu kaže. jer to što kaže hamlin to je tačno. i pre je to važilo. ovde je sad samo bio problem što je naišao na unuka od vlasnika tima.

[Talladega_500]

Hehehe "niko nije javio" Ty Gibbsu da se pomeri trojici klupskih kolega koji su jos uvek u playoffu? Jel ti to ozbiljno? Cak se i deda bojao da mu javi?

[Boss]

To uopste nije istina. Ranije sam ti kacio listu koliko je broj cautions skocio.

trke i dalje traju oko 3 sata u proseku. znači da se ništa nije promenilo. ako je manje cautiona danas onda su duži što mu dođe na isto.

[Talladega_500]

Pa nije isto da gledam 15-30 min trkanja i 15-30 min voznje pod cautions.

Po mom misljenju cautions je jedan od najvecih problema NASCAR-a - jer em ih zovu za svaku sitnicu, em traju predugo.

[Boss]

jedan od komentara sa yt

Biggest issues:
1. Boring races
2. Next Gen car became a spec car
3. Convoluted race format
4. Too hard to find the races on TV
5. Nascar seems to make up rules i.e. DQs and post race penalties

They chase money rather than fans.

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a pazi ovo:

The endless channel hopping is insane. Very few people have cable anymore. To follow the sport without cable is exceedingly difficult.

u americi malo ko ima kablovsku?

pa onda nek stave sve na nacionalnu TV

evo kao što ovaj kaže:

My dad is older and said if they’d just put it on fox or nbc like the old days, he’d watch every single race, while working on his cars in the garage.

[Talladega_500]

Neke od tih stvari nemaju nikakvog smisla.

Taj deo da je previse tesko pronaci trke na tv-u - pa na NASCAR sajtu ti bukvalno kazu na kojoj tv stanici su trke. Ne moze biti prostije.

Nisam siguran sta misli pod "Nascar seems to make up rules"... NASCAR generalno koristi pravila samo kada njima odgovara (a kada ne odgovara onda ignorisu), ali koja pravila "make up" osim kada prestave nova pravila (sto svaki sport radi)?

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Sto se tice prenosa, bilo bi idealno da bude na obicnom tv sa obicnom antenom, ali tako nesto je tesko ocekivati. Previse je NASCAR skup sport da bi prikazivali trke na obicnom tv-u.
NASCAR bi trebao da uvede svoj subscription gde bi prenosili trke. Neka naplacuju $50 mesecno, ljudi ce ga ranije placati nego sto placaju $150 za kablovsku. Ja bi prvi eliminisao kablosvku i uzeo NASCAR-ov subscription da postoji.

[Boss]

ma to je ono što sam ti pričao da postaju kao f1 da gledaju svaki kontakt. doduše sad ne ali bilo je slučajeva kad su po f1-ski kažnjavali

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Neke od tih stvari nemaju nikakvog smisla.

Taj deo da je previse tesko pronaci trke na tv-u - pa na NASCAR sajtu ti bukvalno kazu na kojoj tv stanici su trke. Ne moze biti prostije.

Nisam siguran sta misli pod "Nascar seems to make up rules"... NASCAR generalno koristi pravila samo kada njima odgovara (a kada ne odgovara onda ignorisu), ali koja pravila "make up" osim kada prestave nova pravila (sto svaki sport radi)?

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Sto se tice prenosa, bilo bi idealno da bude na obicnom tv sa obicnom antenom, ali tako nesto je tesko ocekivati. Previse je NASCAR skup sport da bi prikazivali trke na obicnom tv-u.
NASCAR bi trebao da uvede svoj subscription gde bi prenosili trke. Neka naplacuju $50 mesecno, ljudi ce ga ranije placati nego sto placaju $150 za kablovsku. Ja bi prvi eliminisao kablosvku i uzeo NASCAR-ov subscription da postoji.

znaš zašto kablovska neće propasti. jer na jednom mestu po maloj ceni (kad se sve sabere) imaš sve sportove nego kad bi posebno plaćao svaku tu streming platformu za svaki sport. to je drugo ako ti gledaš samo jedan sport (nascar) ali mnogi gledaju više sportova pa i ti reko si.

[Talladega_500]

Ne gledaju svaki kontakt, ali gledaju na namerne sudare u finisu i na udarce u zadnji bocni deo vozila.

To je i pre bilo u NASCAR-u, i ranije je NASCAR znao da oduzme pobedu zbog toga. Evo primer...

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znaš zašto kablovska neće propasti. jer na jednom mestu po maloj ceni (kad se sve sabere) imaš sve sportove nego kad bi posebno plaćao svaku tu streming platformu za svaki sport. to je drugo ako ti gledaš samo jedan sport (nascar) ali mnogi gledaju više sportova pa i ti reko si.

Nije bas cena mala, ja placam $155 za najosnovniji kablovski paket. I nemas nesto mnogo utakmica s obzirom koliko utakmica se igra. NBA ima max 5 utakmica sedmicno, baseball isto tako nesto, jedino eto NFL i NCAA zaista imaju solidan broj (od cega solidan broj mozes da gledas i sa obicnom antenom). Fudbal, imaju samo Premier ligu i sa vremena na vreme puste LaLigu i Bundes Ligu (ne pamtim kada su zadnji put imali Serija A).

Osim ako neko bas prati svaki kanal (jako retko ko), kablovska tesko da se isplati. Ako imas hajmo reci 10 omiljenih kanala, vise se isplati uzeti streaming svakog kanala za po $5 nego placati kablosvku $155.

[Boss]

evo tale ovi su isto rekli što i ja mislim:

There are no superstar drivers. It's a catch 22. Sponsorship fuels the sport, but it has also neutered the drivers into unrelatable, boy scouts.

I agree. The drivers are my biggest thing. We have no hero's anymore, they are all gone. Now we have cookie cutter rich spoiled drivers who whin and complain about everything.

You know it’s bad when Denny Hamlin is the only one who’s allowed to have a personality.

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Nije bas cena mala, ja placam $155 za najosnovniji kablovski paket. I nemas nesto mnogo utakmica s obzirom koliko utakmica se igra. NBA ima max 5 utakmica sedmicno, baseball isto tako nesto, jedino eto NFL i NCAA zaista imaju solidan broj (od cega solidan broj mozes da gledas i sa obicnom antenom). Fudbal, imaju samo Premier ligu i sa vremena na vreme puste LaLigu i Bundes Ligu (ne pamtim kada su zadnji put imali Serija A).

Osim ako neko bas prati svaki kanal (jako retko ko), kablovska tesko da se isplati. Ako imas hajmo reci 10 omiljenih kanala, vise se isplati uzeti streaming svakog kanala za po $5 nego placati kablosvku $155.

sećam se da su amerikanci kukali kad je nbc stavio indycar trke na peacock. ispostavilo se da niko nije hteo kupiti peacock

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evo još jedan:

NASCAR simply doesn’t have a mainstream superstar. The days of Dale and jr, Gordon, Jimmy, etc etc are over. You need stars to draw.

Džabe znači tale tih tvojih 10 vozača što mogu da pobede svaku trku kad ni jedan od njih nema personaliti (osim Hamlina mada i njega sad pritežu), kad ni jedan nije superstar i kad nema rivalstva.

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Izgleda da su amerikanci "otkrili f1" i zato se ovo dešava sa nascarom

I’m a high school teacher, & I can honestly say if I have any students that are racing fans now days they are 9 times out of 10 F1 fans & couldn’t care less about NASCAR. I’ve even found myself more attracted to F1 in recent years. When I talk to folks my age & younger, it seems like it boils down to liking shorter races, fewer races overall (less supply = higher demand & attention from fans), optics of empty stands & cable channels no one watches promoting, subpar social media & marketing presence from NASCAR, & lastly that NASCAR is too gimmicky & hard to follow with stage racing & the playoffs. I hope NASCAR changes soon, otherwise I think this ratings trend will continue.

[Talladega_500]

To je bila samo jedna trka na Peacock, cini mi se u Torontu. Nije ni bilo realno ocekivati da ce neko placati Peacock za ceo mesec zbog samo jedne trke.

[Boss]

I will stand on the ratings suffering from this TV deal. It's absolutely horrific
The France Family took a paycheck instead of exposure and accessibility. And now they're reaping what they sow
-22 Cable Races, all on zombie networks. TNT the only cable partner doing simulcasting with streaming.

-5 races exclusively on streaming. So only 9 OTA Cup Races, and they're all at the very start/end of the season, minus like one.
-Prime is the only one who looks like they actually care about the production quality
-Practice and qualifying on a completely different network that doesn't even show races.
Awful awful awful TV deal.

ček to je znači na više od 6 kanala sa treninzima i kvalifikacijama

[Talladega_500]

I’m a high school teacher, & I can honestly say if I have any students that are racing fans now days they are 9 times out of 10 F1 fans & couldn’t care less about NASCAR. I’ve even found myself more attracted to F1 in recent years. When I talk to folks my age & younger, it seems like it boils down to liking shorter races, fewer races overall (less supply = higher demand & attention from fans), optics of empty stands & cable channels no one watches promoting, subpar social media & marketing presence from NASCAR, & lastly that NASCAR is too gimmicky & hard to follow with stage racing & the playoffs. I hope NASCAR changes soon, otherwise I think this ratings trend will continue.

Sam je opisao - mladjariju sve zanima, samo ne trkanje. Jer po samom kvalitetu trkanja - F1 je dno medju svim vecim profesionalnim auto sportovima. Niko mi ne moze reci, "gledam F1 zbog trkanja".

[Boss]

To je bila samo jedna trka na Peacock, cini mi se u Torontu. Nije ni bilo realno ocekivati da ce neko placati Peacock za ceo mesec zbog samo jedne trke.

pardon

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praktično su sve trke bile na peacocku

Here's the full 2024 IndyCar broadcast schedule
(Broadcast start times are Eastern Time; all races will be simulcast on NBC's streaming platform Peacock)

Sunday, March 10: Streets of St. Petersburg, NBC, 12 p.m.

Sunday, March 24: The Thermal Club (non-points $1 Million Challenge), NBC, 12:30 p.m.

Sunday, April 21: Streets of Long Beach, USA Network, 3 p.m.

Sunday, April 28: Barber Motorsports Park, NBC, TBD

Saturday, May 11: Indianapolis Motor Speedway (road course), NBC, 3 p.m.

Sunday, May 26: Indianapolis 500 (estimated green flag at 12:45 p.m.), NBC, 11 a.m.

Sunday, June 2: Streets of Detroit, USA Network, 12 p.m.

Sunday, June 9: Road America, NBC, 3:30 p.m.

Sunday, June 23: WeatherTech Raceway Laguna Seca, USA Network, 6 p.m.

Sunday, July 7: Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, NBC, 1:30 p.m.

Saturday, July 13: Iowa Speedway Race 1, NBC, 8 p.m.

Sunday, July 14: Iowa Speedway Race 2, NBC, 12 p.m.

Sunday, July 21: Streets of Toronto, Peacock, 1 p.m.

Saturday, Aug. 17: World Wide Technology Raceway, USA Network, 6 p.m.

Sunday, Aug. 25: Portland International Raceway, USA Network, 3 p.m.

Saturday, Aug. 31: Milwaukee Mile Race 1, Peacock, 6 p.m.

Sunday, Sept. 1: Milwaukee Mile Race 2, USA Network, 2:30 p.m.

Sunday, Sept. 15: Nashville Superspeedway, NBC, 3 p.m.

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Da bi sledeće godine tj. ove sve trke stavili na fta FOX. Toliko o striminzima

[Talladega_500]

Mozda su bile na Peacock pored toga sto su bile na ostalim kablovskim kanalima. Ali znam da sam ja gledao celu proslu sezonu, osim trke u Torontu, na kabloskoj (nemam Peacock).

[Boss]

vidi opet:

When you take the cable companies money, you get the cable companies viewers. Fewer and fewer subscribers year over year, cable is dead. NASCAR knew and just wanted the money.

stvarno u americi sve manje ljudi poseduje kablovsku? ti tale skoro rekao da u americi skoro svako ima kablovsku

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The fact that basically no races on Fox or nbc have been shown on Fox or nbc but rather cable affiliate channels of theirs has to be 80% of the problem. I don’t have cable or know anyone who does anymore so they gotta put these races on streaming full time or a free tv station you can get with an antenna.

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It's because no one wants to or could afford 5 or 6 streaming services that give crap coverage to follow one sport. The cw is doing fantastic with their xfinity coverage. And Amazon was incredible for just jumping in. But you could wait for the 10-15 minute highlight reel for free and even those highlight the poor coverage.

Još će se dogoditi da Xfinity i Indycar koji su na fta kanalima prestignu nascar cup

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Izgleda dolazi nova generacija koja ne gleda kablovsku

Cable is exactly 100% the issue. People don't have cable anymore. No one I know has cable tv. There's so many issues that it's not just one thing it's the whole klusterfuk

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Prešao i ovaj na F1:

For me, I’ve finally decided to give F1 a shot. Honestly, a way better product. It is everything that NASCAR should be in regards to production, ease of access (F1TV), and proper points system.

I’ve been a 20+ year fan. Now, I rarely catch a race.

The car is horrible to watch, the points system is a travesty, and the broadcast is horrendous.

F1 is rapidly gaining traction here in the US. I’ll be surprised if it hasn’t eclipsed NASCAR in another year or two.

[Talladega_500]

Kablovska je bila kralj za gledanje do pre nekih 5-6 godina. E onda su streaming service poceli dominirati.

Ne verujem da je NASCAR napravio gresku sto je ostao na kablovskoj na jos jedan ugovor. Zato sto je NASCAR publika uglavnom starija i takvi jos uvek koriste kablovsku. Najvise ljubitelja NASCAR-a padaju u kategoriju godina 55-64 - takvi jos uvek gledaju kablovsku.

[Boss]

I'm 65 and spent 20 years taking first, clients and 2nd, family. Boring racing, high prices and entertainment for teenagers really turned me off. Then, in 2019 discovered IMSA and SRO racing. Bye, Bye Nascar....don't miss you. Richmond used to sell-out year after year with 100,000 fans. in the 2000s, fans dropped to less than 40,000. And even worse in 2025 Richmond lost its 2nd date.

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Will everybody stop talking about football being so wonderful and exciting. The ONLY reason football is king, whether it be Pro or College, is the gambiling aspect of it. People are more worried about making a buck in order to survive than they are about being entertained by any means available.

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As an Indycar fan in addition to NASCAR, I have to say when compared to NASCAR, Indycar has seen viewership go up in recent years especially this past season. This is because of the fact that every Indycar race is on big Fox making it easier to access & Fox's Indycar coverage hasn't been ruined in the same way their NASCAR coverage has by the executives at Fox Sports (IMS productions are the ones in charge of Fox's Indycar coverage). Also Fox promotes the heck out of Indycar something that NASCAR absolutely lacks currently. The only things Indycar needs in my view to challenge NASCAR for viewers now that F1 has decided to take themselves off of American TV (both over the air & cable) entirely by signing with the Apple TV paywall for 2026 & beyond are a major change in regulations to keep Honda in the series (and possibly attract new manufacturers like Toyota & Ford) & a longer schedule with more ovals which NASCAR should stop being petty & let Indycar race on those ovals. If & when those two things happen, expect Indycar to return to what it was in the early to mid 90's before the split in terms of popularity & mainstream recognition.

Opa, povratak Indyja na ovale a F1 ide iza pay walla

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Evo većina ovo zamera. Koji već prigovor na ovo čitam:

It's not too many races on cable, it's too many different channels. Xfinity is on the same channel every time, but Cup is on like 6 different channels or platforms throughout the season. It needs to be 2-3.